A Disneyland Annual Passholder becomes a polygraph on Show Me The Lie, and our special guest Peter Allwine grew up in the same house with (the voice of) Mickey Mouse…but does he really know his Mickey?
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Mentioned in this episode…Bret, Mickey & Walt – Kory’s docu-series on the 4th voice of Mickey Mouse, Bret Iwan. To listen, click here.


Parks Pop Culture Pop Quiz

Kory: [00:00:00] Ann we met at Disneyland. So let’s start with a Disneyland question. A change.org petition made the rounds recently. It’s goal, to rename and retheme the Matterhorn Bobsleds, to what? 1993 comedy film.

[00:00:15] Listener Ann: [00:00:15] Is it cool runnings?

[00:00:17] Kory: [00:00:17] Ya man.The tongue in cheek petition by “Concerned Disney Citizens, which as of recording, this only has 75 signatures says in part, “I believe it is Disney’s responsibly.” That’s spelling “to educate the public through renaming Matterhorn Bobsleds ride to Cool Runnings Movie, the ride.”

[00:00:37] This is just all kinds of typos.

[00:00:39] My favorite part is at the end where it says “also put John candy in as the Yeti, may he rest in peace?” I like that part. Maybe if we put John candy and it Disneyland, we can move Herald to expedition, Everest, and solve two problems at once. What do you think?

[00:00:52] Listener Ann: [00:00:52] This is very true. It’ll still hurt your back.

[00:00:55] So that’s a chiropractic adjustment and a ride.

[00:00:57] Kory: [00:00:57] This is a quote. I just wish we would do the ride over. I would come back out of retirement to do that ride over. Unquote, what ride is legendary Disney.Imagineer Tony Baxter talking about there.

[00:01:11] Listener Ann: [00:01:11] Oh, I don’t know.

[00:01:14] Kory: [00:01:14] Well, I don’t know is not an attraction, but Journey into Imagination with Figment is!

[00:01:20] Tony Baxter built the original masterpiece that was then destroyed by Michael Eisner and Kodak. That’s another story for another show, but Tony is already reportedly on board to advise on the Splash Mountain overhaul. So this is not outside the realm of possibilities. I just find it strange that he wants to be in Florida right now.

[00:01:41] He’s a retiree and there’s a pandemic and it’s August.

[00:01:44] Sean Reid: [00:01:44] They bring this back. I think I’m the right age and the right beard. I’m going to audition for Dream Finder.

[00:01:50] Kory: [00:01:50] I support this completely. All right. And question three in a positive sign for people jonesing for some Disney parks time inside the magic spotted crews, installing social distancing measures.

[00:02:01] This week, things like plexiglass outside the main entrance of what Disney park

[00:02:07] Listener Ann: [00:02:07] Disneyland.

[00:02:10] Kory: [00:02:10] That’s right? Yes. While there’s still no actual opening date in sight, maybe this is a positive sign. Uh, sad that plexiglass all over main street USA is a positive sign, but maybe Disneyland will open again soon.

[00:02:22] And would you go?

[00:02:24] Listener Ann: [00:02:24] Oh yeah.

[00:02:24] Kory: [00:02:24] Yeah,

[00:02:25] Listener Ann: [00:02:25] I’d go.

[00:02:25] Kory: [00:02:25] You’re there. Like the second it’s open.

[00:02:27] Listener Ann: [00:02:27] I’ll go with like three layers of mask on. A face shield, maybe a hazmat suit, but I’m going, I want my churro and my Dole whip!

[00:02:37] Adam Vargyas: [00:02:37] Do it. Do the thing.

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Walt, Wayne, or Bret with Peter Allwine

[00:03:05] Kory: [00:03:05] From 1977 to 2009, Wayne Allwine was the voice of Mickey mouse. The voice many of us would be most familiar with. And in addition to voicing thousands of credits as Mickey marrying Russi Taylor, his CoStar as Minnie mouse and leaving a legacy is one of the nicest and funniest human beings in Disney history.

[00:03:22] He also managed to have a kid. That kid is Peter Allwine and he joins us from Fresno, California, Peter, welcome to Theme Park Pulse: The Game. Hey man.

[00:03:32] Peter Allwine: [00:03:32] Hey man. How you doing? It’s it’s a pleasure to be on here,

[00:03:34] Kory: [00:03:34] Peter, you and I first interacted about a year ago. I can’t believe it’s been that long during the production of our unpacked mini series on bread Island.

[00:03:41] Who’s the fourth voice of Mickey mouse. There’s a link in the show notes to that. Um, how did you find that show to begin with?

[00:03:48] Peter Allwine: [00:03:48] I think I may have stumbled across it. Maybe Bret posted something on Facebook, uh, either that or. I don’t even know exactly how it came upon my radar, but I found it and was just immediately intrigued and drawn in by the storytelling and just finding out more about bread.

[00:04:05] Like I knew a little bit about him. I’d become Facebook friends with them through social media. He and I had chatted over the years, but it was really cool to kind of see the man behind the curtain, if you will. And just get to know him a little bit more with the show.

[00:04:17] Kory: [00:04:17] I know this happens to Bret a lot.

[00:04:19] I can imagine it happens to you more than a little bit too. Do people just send you copious amounts of stuff about Mickey?

[00:04:26] Peter Allwine: [00:04:26] Yes. They send me stuff, but more than anything, it’s like, Hey, listen to this impression of making and tell me what you think. That’s mostly what I get and I just have to be the nicest person on the planet and say, that sounds great. That’s so good. You did your best.

[00:04:44] Kory: [00:04:44] Do you do any impressions? Any, any voices?

[00:04:47] Peter Allwine: [00:04:47] I’m not saying that I do Mickey, but I’m not saying that I do Mickey.

[00:04:52] Kory: [00:04:52] Can we hear your Mickey mouse?  Is that a thing?

[00:04:55] Peter Allwine: [00:04:55] Oh my goodness. Yeah. So to get the backstory on this before dad passed, uh, probably about a year or so prior to that, Russi actually asked me, she said, Hey, can you do the voice?

[00:05:07] And at the time I told her, no, Because I hadn’t worked on it. I hadn’t tried to do it. And my Mickey, I thought at that time had a bit of a Southern lilt to it. So it was a bit more like a mr. Hankey or Towlie.

[00:05:23] And I didn’t know anything. Yeah. I didn’t think Disney would want to go that route with Nike. So over probably the past, Oh, maybe four or five years, I’ve worked on it a bit more and I’ve gotten it pretty good.

[00:05:36] Like, I basically now just kind of do it for friends, family. Like if somebody has like a kid that has a birthday coming up, like all either send like a voicemail or something like that is Mickey more. If they’re going down to the park back when we could go to the park. Uh, I’d call it, like invite them down to the park.

[00:05:49] Kory: [00:05:49] What’s a park. Okay. Well now there’s a lot of pressure because you theoretically are genetically predispositioned to, to do this voice. So let’s hear it. Nope.

[00:05:59] Albie Madrigal: [00:05:59] Sure. Right.

[00:05:59] Peter Allwine: [00:05:59] Yeah. None whatsoever.

[00:06:02] Hi, Kory, it’s your pal Mickey. I hope you’re doing well and I’m really happy to be on the show. Wow. Yeah,

[00:06:10] Kory: [00:06:10] that was really good. It runs in the family. That is crazy.

[00:06:16] Tell me about that, your dad, because we all know him, the public face of Wayne, but tell me about Wayne the dad.

[00:06:24] Peter Allwine: [00:06:24] He was easily the best dad I could ever hope for dream of like, so my folks divorced when I was very young, so he lives in LA to work. And my mom and I moved up here to Fresno basically every month, once a month for a weekend, I would go visit him.

[00:06:38] Um, from eight to 18, anytime I would do uh, theatre, I did theater a lot growing up, but he come see like every show that I was ever in, he was incredibly supportive. He and I spoke on the phone daily. At least once a day, he was incredible. He was the nicest, anything, anything that you see in the interviews with him?

[00:06:55] That that was him in real life. Like so much of him was put into Mickey. And I think that’s, what’s really cool that I see in Bret too, is like so much of just. Their genuine self and personality comes out and it’s just exudes through the characters. So anything you ever see, like people saying, I used to the nicest funniest, kindest person that that was same in real life.

[00:07:17] And I, I don’t know. I don’t know how I got to be so lucky as to have him as a dad, but I am continually thankful and grateful that he was my dad.

[00:07:26] Kory: [00:07:26] Well, the performative gene runs in the family and you’ve been acting in California for close to 30 years. Not to age you, do you have any favorite roles?

[00:07:35] Peter Allwine: [00:07:35] Oh, it’s like if I had children like naming a favorite,

[00:07:41] Kory: [00:07:41] yes, please select your favorite child for us.

[00:07:44] Peter Allwine: [00:07:44] I have quite a few. Um, I’d say probably playing Che in Evita. I loved playing Leo Bloom in The Producers. Freddie Benson in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels was easily, one of the most fun things I’ve ever done on stage. The Pirate King and Pirates of Penzance. I could go on…

[00:08:01] Kory: [00:08:01] what’s going to happen to theater with COVID. What do you think?

[00:08:04] Peter Allwine: [00:08:04] Uh, you know, I’d love to say that it’s going to come back like full swing and I’m sure it will, but. It’s sad. Like it’s sad to see in the state of the arts right now, like people are doing like what we’re doing. Just kind of doing everything over zoom and it’s, it’s crazy. I hope, I hope it comes back. It’s really just sad to see that the state that everything’s in right now,

[00:08:25] Kory: [00:08:25] the state of things, especially when you find yourself recording a Disney podcast on a Sunday afternoon,

[00:08:31] Peter Allwine: [00:08:31] this is the best way need to spend a Sunday afternoon. Are you kidding?

[00:08:35] Kory: [00:08:35] Well, I hope you still feel that way after this game.

[00:08:37] We’ve invited you here to play sort of a hybrid move over mike, Bob or Bob. Sean is here to tell you about Walt, Wayne or Bret. Sean.

[00:08:48] Peter Allwine: [00:08:48] Oh Man.

[00:08:49] Sean Reid: [00:08:49] All right. So here’s the twist for most of our lifetimes few iconic actors have given Mickey mouse’s voice, including Walt Disney, Wayne Allwine and Bret Iwan. So we’re going to do a new game called Walt Wayne or Bret, and I’m going to describe badly the plot of various Mickey mouse performances.

[00:09:09] These reports from all types of media, Mickey shorts, movies, and possibly even video games. I will describe the plot. Again, badly and you’ll need to identify the name of what I’ve described and who the voice of Mickey Mouse was in that performance.

[00:09:26] Peter, are you ready?

[00:09:27] Peter Allwine: [00:09:27] I sure hope so this could go south really fast.

[00:09:30] Sean Reid: [00:09:30] All right. In our first one. Mickey gets a hat from some Italian dude with a funny name. And then somehow he starts cleaning that dude headquarters mini isn’t safe from the beagle boys, but she sure does love Mickey. Pete, the villain totally wants to be the King of the opera, I think. Or maybe just the King.

[00:09:52] I’m not sure it is Pete. He’s a really strange dog in the end. Mickey takes off Pete’s arms, almost gets beaten by them, but Donald and goofy show up just in time. They all pair off Mickey with Minnie, Donald, and Daisy goofy with Claribel the cow and they’re singing something that goes like all for one once for all, all for one once for all.

[00:10:15] Pete, can you name that movie and who voiced Mickey?

[00:10:18] Peter Allwine: [00:10:18] That was a brilliant description by the way. Uh, it wasn’t until the end that I actually kind of realized where you were going with it, that would be the Three Musketeers. And that would be my Dad, Wayne Allwine.

[00:10:34] Sean Reid: [00:10:34] I was even confused about what I was talking about. By the time I got to the end

[00:10:37] Kory: [00:10:37] Us too.

[00:10:38] Sean Reid: [00:10:38] Performance, number two. I’ll be honest, this story is a little confusing, but I think it involves a locksmith who has a crazy looking ax and can travel across different universes. I didn’t really understand it, but it’s also apparently the third part of a trilogy about someone who loves the dark, the locksmith, who might be the inspiration for them.

[00:11:00] The ride Soarin’ has lost seven different lights. And I also think Cthlu  was really angry about it or it might’ve been Xenu. I got them all mixed up. The names are wild. I think the plot is also mostly about trying to find the seven light and it somehow might involve Buzz Lightyear riding a pirate ship.

[00:11:20] Adam Vargyas: [00:11:20] This all sounds like reasons I have not engaged in this particular media.

[00:11:27] Peter Allwine: [00:11:27] I’m going to go ahead and guess that that’s the newest Kingdom Hearts game. Yeah, and that would be Bret Iwan.

[00:11:37] Kory: [00:11:37] Buzz light year on a pirate ship.

[00:11:41] Sean Reid: [00:11:41] Alright. You are two for two. Let’s see if we can make it a trifecta. The last one, this is probably apocryphal, but I’ve heard that the song Mississippi Queen by the seventies rock group Mountain was actually inspired. By this Mickey heads to Podunk, which is only a few miles South of me where I’m at, right now over in South Carolina.

[00:12:03] He’s going to hang out with a bunch of cows and he apparently loses track of time. So he has to leave in a hurry, which gives Minnie a wedgie. Pete wants some French fries. And he decides it’s Mickey’s job to prepare the potatoes. Then one of the birds from the Tiki Tiki Tiki Tiki Tiki room shows up Mickey knocks it out by hitting it in the head with one of the potatoes.

[00:12:24] We never find out if Pete got French fries, but we do know. Yeah. Mickey thought hitting that bird was hilarious.

[00:12:33] Kory: [00:12:33] Peter,

[00:12:34] Peter Allwine: [00:12:34] I’m not going to lie. I have no idea what cartoon that is, but I really want to see it now since, you know, there’s only one left. I’m going to say it’s Walt!?

[00:12:47] Josh Taylor: [00:12:47] you probably seen it.

[00:12:48] Sean Reid: [00:12:48] That is bad. Retailing of Steamboat, Willie,

[00:12:55] Adam Vargyas: [00:12:55] bad, but not inaccurate in whatsoever.

[00:12:58] Kory: [00:12:58] Albie, how did Peter do on this ridiculous game

[00:13:01] Albie Madrigal: [00:13:01] He knows his mickey’s from mouses and mouses from Mickey’s. He got all of them right!

[00:13:05] Nicely

[00:13:06] Kory: [00:13:06] done.

[00:13:07] Peter, we’re going to get you a glow in the dark Theme Park Pulse wristband, but I’m probably just going to drop it off on a roadtrip rail.

[00:13:13] We’ll just make that a thing. Did you have fun on the game?

[00:13:16] Peter Allwine: [00:13:16] I did very much so, this was brilliant. Thank you guys.

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[00:13:46] Kory: [00:13:46] And if you’ve ever tried to find anything on, I MDB you are more than qualified to see through Adams untruths and dishonesties, which is good because you’re going to play.

[00:13:57] Show me the lie. Adam.

[00:13:59] Adam Vargyas: [00:13:59] With some of the most talented people and entertainment, Disney knows how to spin a strong tail. For the most part, their feature films are big hits with both audiences and critics. But as the old saying goes, you can’t please all the people all the time. If you plumb the depths of IMDB, which.

[00:14:18] By the way I don’t recommend you’ll find negative reviews for even the most beloved films of the Disney decade. Two of these are actual IMDB movie reviews. One of them I completely made up listen to these three reviews and see if you can show me the lie. And are you ready for three movie reviews?

[00:14:40] Listener Ann: [00:14:40] Let’s do it.

[00:14:41] Adam Vargyas: [00:14:41] I always get very tentative responses when I ask that question.

[00:14:44] The first review is a review of beauty and the beast. I finally discovered what happened to all the bad boys who were turned into donkeys in Disney’s Pinocchio. They all went to live in Belle’s town. Disney’s anti-male bias is very much evident in beauty and the beast. The perfect heroine is surrounded by the most grotesque collection of males ever found in one movie.

[00:15:14] Most of them are sloppy looking pigs and the ones who aren’t are dried up old scarecrows, even the lone good one. Her father is a bumbling fat old fool in paper, or even driving a broken down farm horse to the fair, without getting lost. The one good looking man, she knows as gassed on a cell fish, narcissistic brute, which leaves only the beast whose table manners leave much to be desired, but eventually he learns to.

[00:15:42] Behave like a gentlemen, which is evidently all that’s needed to win the heroine in this very superficial retelling of the classic fairy tale.

[00:15:53] Kory: [00:15:53] I think we have an iTunes review by that person.

[00:16:02] Adam Vargyas: [00:16:02] Our second review is of Pocahontas. This movie. Wow. Where do I even start with this movie? First of all, it’s based on the worst storytelling trope of all time. We’re from different worlds, but we still fell in love. Wake me up when it’s over. If you want to see a much better version of that story, go watch a little movie called West Side Story.

[00:16:26] Better music and no God-forsaken magical trees or mischievous, raccoons, or hummingbirds. Also for the love of God, read a history book. Pocahontas was all of 10 years old when she met John Smith. Also, Governor Ratcliffe was burned at the stake by natives, which would have made for a way better ending. For a studio that used to win Academy awards for their educational films, Disney seems more than willing to fudge a lot of details to make a good movie. Oh, wait. I almost forgot this movie sucks.

[00:16:59] Albie Madrigal: [00:16:59] Wow. What a roast. I

[00:17:02] Sean Reid: [00:17:02] I’ve definitely seen those kinds of Yelp reviews.

[00:17:04] Albie Madrigal: [00:17:04] Oh yeah.

[00:17:05]Kory: [00:17:05] TLDR do not recommend.

[00:17:11] Adam Vargyas: [00:17:11] All right. Our third and final IMB movie review is for The Lion King. Hyenas are now hated for this stupid movie and lions are not the Kings of the beast. It just sucks my least favorite movie of all time. If I was to choose between watching The Lion King and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, I would choose attack of the killer tomatoes.

[00:17:33] Josh Taylor tells me that’s an actual movie. It’s true. I have no idea what people see in this movie. I would give it a negative number. If I could hyenas kill lions. Tigers are the Kings of the beast. I have to say I was very disappointed. The only good was the music. Wow. Honestly, I wish those lions starved to death and I am glad that symbol’s father died.

[00:17:56] Kory: [00:17:56] Daddy issues.

[00:17:57] Adam Vargyas: [00:17:57] I hate Disney for making people hate hyenas. I love hyenas. They are amazing. In fact, I like them better than humans. I just can’t wait to be King too bad. You’ll have to wait forever. By the way, will the beast cannot trample an adult male lion way to go on the details there. Disney Disney has to make a movie about hyenas being good because honestly, hyenas are not more evil than humans.

[00:18:23] And that is a fact fact

[00:18:25] Kory: [00:18:25] Alright Ann one of those reviews was a complete fabrication. Was it Beauty and the Beast Pocahontas or The Lion King?

[00:18:36] Listener Ann: [00:18:36] I want to say it’s beauty and the beast.

[00:18:41] Kory: [00:18:41] Are you sure?

[00:18:42] Listener Ann: [00:18:42] No.

[00:18:43] Kory: [00:18:43] Good.

[00:18:44] Is it

[00:18:46] Lion King?

[00:18:47] I cant give it to you twice. No, it wasn’t. It was .Pocahontas was the one that was completely made up. That weird Lion King review and the Beauty and the Beast review. Those were real.

[00:18:58] Adam Vargyas: [00:18:58] Copied and pasted right off of the website.

[00:19:01] Kory: [00:19:01] Adam, I’m forwarding this review to your therapist.

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